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quietmounds2017-09-27 08:59 am
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WHAT who knows
WHERE wherever your top comment is
WHEN the 52nd cycle of the sun more or less
[All of the animals are gone!
... ish.
You can still hear them, barks and chirps and meows. Uh, and also some howls and growls?? Some noises you have never heard before and never want to hear again? And though you may catch dark shapes moving out of the corner of your eye, nothing is ever there when you turn to look.]
WHERE wherever your top comment is
WHEN the 52nd cycle of the sun more or less
[All of the animals are gone!
... ish.
You can still hear them, barks and chirps and meows. Uh, and also some howls and growls?? Some noises you have never heard before and never want to hear again? And though you may catch dark shapes moving out of the corner of your eye, nothing is ever there when you turn to look.]
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Well, I don't know if this stuff doesn't have some sort of effect since this place is like that.
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Yeah? What's the wine here done to you?
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The whiskey, then.
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[glasses and just taking them all back to the couch because fuck if i'm not flopping immediately]
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That's one thing we can definitely agree on.
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So. I think thanks to all of the bloodloss you were trying to say something about being wrong?
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everything's terrible and he just kind of wants to flip a table and jump out the window?
instead he just... sighs. like he fully expects he should die at any moment like he deserves or something.]
I understand that I shouldn't compare others with Odasaku. He figured out a possible solution for things, but it doesn't negate the fact that others have tried with what they understand of the situation.
[there. that sounds not completely terrible, right?]
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He doesn't seem mad at least so it's a start.]
'Possible solution for things' meaning 'how to get along with you'?
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Meaning "understanding what drives me to suicide most of the time".
... it's something you probably won't get because of your loyalty to the Port Mafia, but it's not as though you don't try in your own way.
[there. he said it.
he's drinking all of this glass right now.]
And since a lot of my behavior is tied into that whole thing...
[sort of involves "how to get along", sure.]
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[holds his wine close to his chest though he's a little concerned about getting mad and breaking the glass, like that's never happened before.]
So what is it that I 'probably won't get'?
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What you don't seem to get is that these are just symptoms of the problem that is my being in a place I don't belong.
There's no point in things like self-betterment in an environment where your worst is your best, you know?
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[It's hard to NOT sound disbelieving, even though he knows that just paints him as the idiot Dazai always treats him as.
But it doesn't really compute, just the same.]
It's obvious you hate it, but...
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[literally.]
... you likely had Kyouka-chan in the ranks at some point, right? Kyouka-chan was in despair enough to long for death for having killed thirty-five people. To get her to listen to me at all, I had to say "so what?" It's just thirty-five people.
She was with the mafia for six months. She already wanted to die. She's barely fourteen.
[that's fucked up, Chuuya.]
My situation's different, but not so different that I can't understand her perspective. Can you?
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Kyouka wasn't around long enough to kill that many people. The boss kicked her over to the ADA pretty early.
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both at Chuuya being disgruntled and at the whole Dazai kicking out children who don't want to kill.]
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So after all this time, you're saying you hate killing so much you'd rather die?
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But no. These are still mostly symptoms.
[gonna get himself more wine because he is too sober, clearly]
The fact of the matter is I joined the mafia because I thought being around such intense situations would give me a reason not to? But instead, it did the reverse and gave me even less reason.
There's not a whole lot of point to some of the things the Port Mafia does. Maybe there was relevance at one point but... over all, it's senseless. Or maybe it's more it makes too much cold, clinical sense. It's about the bottom line or the most effective means--costly things are disposed of and that includes basic human social needs.
People are just bodies and commodities. Children are just tools to raise up into weapons. Or cannon fodder to be used to reach a foreseen end goal. Things like that.
The government is just as bad with it, in a number of ways, so that's how I ended up with the Detective Agency.
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It's not like I don't know all that, but it doesn't have to be run that way. If it bothers you that much, you could just change it.
Obviously there's still no such thing as a way to manage the underworld without killing people and defending our territory, but where I'm from certain types of people aren't found in the upper ranks anymore.
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How many were executed before it got to that point?
But that aside... objectively, it's true that I could move things in a better direction, but you're right that it wouldn't change a lot of things. The Port Mafia will never be fully recognized as a legitimate entity by the government, no matter what document they give. No matter what deeds are done. Criminal is criminal to the law. So everyone in the Port Mafia is still subject to those punishments should they be caught. Only very rare exceptions are made--like, say, an executive who has decided to get out of the mafia and reform?
But it'd be temporary, whatever progress. Because subjectively, it's not something I would survive long-term. Selfishly, I'd continue to look for a way out, even when my hands are tied. Maybe the lack of a successor would stay my hand for a time, but eventually, even that wouldn't have an effect. Because selfishly... I just wouldn't want to keep being in a place where those parts of me I've had to deny for so many years had to remain buried or unknown.
It wouldn't be about whether I've done enough or whether someone else has done enough. It would simply be "I've had enough."
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Time to look completely miserable and I guess drink all of this wine.]
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and actually is sorry. just... how to word. these things.]
... that's not to say my way works completely. It's just... a little better for me personally. Selfishly. And--well, I guess it depends on where your priorities are.
If you're loyal to the Port Mafia, you'll keep up the immediate solution of repairing the holes in the dam even as more and more of them appear. And eventually deal with the consequences as they happen.
If you're wanting to try for something that... may or may not work... then these are things you have to be able to understand. Odasaku understood because he was in a similar position. So, as he died, he told me what he thought might help me in the long run.
So it really isn't fair of me to compare you or anyone else to that. That sort of understanding... is very difficult to replicate.
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[Rubs his face, and focuses on the one part of all of that he knows immediately what to do about it.]
I couldn't explain it to him because--
[well, for all the reasons you can never explain anything to Dazai]
But maybe now you'll fucking listen:
Being loyal to Dazai and being loyal to Port Mafia aren't different things. We've both been sitting here agreeing that what Mori did to Odasaku wasn't acceptable, and I fucking helped him get rid of everyone else who might seriously consider that sort of stunt, but you still think all of the rest of us are the types who would use our boss up until he's dead out of 'loyalty to Port Mafia'?
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mulls it over for a moment, because. he's having to put himself mentally in that situation and just.
it's not good.]
I think... most would not be aware that they are using up their boss until he's dead. They know there's a problem, but they can't see what it is and therefore can't find a solution. And of course, he wouldn't reach out because he'd believe there is no point.
I don't know exactly everything that Dazai thinks just because I've made a different choice, but... it is possible to view people as separate from their environment, you know. Saying "loyalty to the Boss is loyalty to the Port Mafia"... that's missing the entire crux of the problem. It's a willful sort of ignorance like that.
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